Curse

billy brute · Aug 13, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Lol, so far the only retorts my post got was 'lolz noob, i use an uncustomised weapon because it'll lose market value'.

Having that weapon in your inventory for 1 month and not selling it, it loses market value, if you don't actually intend to keep it, decide there and then and either customise it, or sell it before the price goes down.

Customising an item... MAKES IT WORTHLESS TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT BETTER FOR YOURSELF!

Seriously are there people in this thread that go around with 15^50 Chaos Axes but refuse to customise them? Personally i'd rather that additional 20% damage... if you were using the skin because you liked it, you'd customise it, if your using it because you think it makes your e-peen bigger then its probably sundering and uncustomised making you vastly inferior as a damage dealer.
I bet some of you wouldn't even customise greens that go for less than 10k. The first green i bought i customised there and then, a Drago's Flatbow for i think 65k. I wasn't gonna resell the damn thing... i bought it to use. I still use it occasionally now.

So yes... i'm sticking with my first post. Only idiots use uncustomised weapons, your rare skinned weapon means nothing to me if its hugely inferior damage wise to a collectors weapon, or even a white weapon i found on the floor. The only things it doesn't apply to are caster items... why? Because caster items can end up all over the place, especially ones with 20% enchantments mods, wanding does no damage anyway.

You were onto a really nice post there, but that last part spoiled it

. When I GvG (We're only rank 1100 but still :P) our monks normally have a wand tied to their highest attribute to help finish off low targets and the lord. It isn't as important to customize a wand / staff as it is a sword axe hammer etc. As they are not your primary source of damage, but, [Tesco] every little helps. [/Tesco]

jrk247 · Aug 13, 2007, 10:12 AM // 10:12

I don't see why people would even customize a weapon if they weren't planning on using/keeping the item. I bought a req. 9 15^50 Chaos Axe because I liked the skin and the first thing I did before I even used it was customized it. Why the hell would you get a weapon that you like and not customize it? Only weapons I haven't customized are my caster weapons, a zealous +5 energy short bow and a few greens that I rarely use.

/notsigned, don't like it don't customize. It's THAT simple.

jrk247 · Aug 13, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Em... yes I would!!!!!!!!

I quite clearly stated in one of the replies in the thread that I dont mind whether the cost to uncustomise is low or high. I would accept it being a gold-sink and costing to have it done.

I'm perfectly willing to pay gold for any service inside the game, because I believe strongly that we need more gold sinks. I have worked and earned everything I have ingame and never asked for anything to be free.

Read things before you go making rediculious speculation about my opinions and my behaviour.

Wait wait wait, you don't care if it's a high price to un-customize your weapons even though the reason you want to un-customize them in the first place is to sell them? And you want more money sinks even though you need money by selling your customized weapons?

Sleeper Service · Aug 13, 2007, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Lol, so far the only retorts my post got was 'lolz noob, i use an uncustomised weapon because it'll lose market value'.

Having that weapon in your inventory for 1 month and not selling it, it loses market value, if you don't actually intend to keep it, decide there and then and either customise it, or sell it before the price goes down.

Customising an item... MAKES IT WORTHLESS TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT BETTER FOR YOURSELF!

Seriously are there people in this thread that go around with 15^50 Chaos Axes but refuse to customise them? Personally i'd rather that additional 20% damage... if you were using the skin because you liked it, you'd customise it, if your using it because you think it makes your e-peen bigger then its probably sundering and uncustomised making you vastly inferior as a damage dealer.
I bet some of you wouldn't even customise greens that go for less than 10k. The first green i bought i customised there and then, a Drago's Flatbow for i think 65k. I wasn't gonna resell the damn thing... i bought it to use. I still use it occasionally now.

So yes... i'm sticking with my first post. Only idiots use uncustomised weapons, your rare skinned weapon means nothing to me if its hugely inferior damage wise to a collectors weapon, or even a white weapon i found on the floor. The only things it doesn't apply to are caster items... why? Because caster items can end up all over the place, especially ones with 20% enchantments mods, wanding does no damage anyway.

1. Not everyone is a mellee class.
2. If you think that wanding does no damage (-.-) then why are you calling those who do not customise for the extra damage idiots.
3. What hugely inferior weapons? max dmg low atrib perfect mods? oh right its inferior because its an older looking skin? what if i want to give it to a friend or a guildy later to help them out (which i have done and keep on doing) or if like someone said you need some quick cash (so what if you cant sell for 100k, ragos still goes for how much? dragos? how much?) how many do you think this idiot has?
4. Apart from you and your clever buddy there, no one else is calling other people idiots for whatever reason. no one else is calling YOU a noob EITHER.

Obviously anyone who does not think like you is an idiot. I'm tired of this, you should have been warned on your first post, but instead you got support. so i guess its not your fault really.
When you've quite finished acting like a prick try pulling your head out your ass, maybe youll realise that the world does NOT revolve round your self absorbed egocentric person.

Orange Milk · Aug 13, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

You've done it yet again FishBoy. You've come up with another bad idea.

jrk427 is right, you contridict yourself therefore making your point invaid.

Everyone else is right, once its customized its customized and its done, just because its a game with "magic" and happy big monsters doesn't mean all logic should be tossed out. You should just be thankful ANet lets you use customized weapons on your Heros.

If you need gold go use that customized weapon to farm some.

PS you batting .000 right now, 0-3 as far as I've seen.

Fenix Arises · Aug 13, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Alright first off /Signed, secondly lets explain why.

Now EVERYONE here can agree on one thing, we ALL like to try out new characters. Now what does this mean? Any old characters you have that happen to be incredibly strong as well as thier heros cant transfer thier gear over to help your new character along. The reason for this is because most people are smart and customise thier weapons so they are doing the msot damage possible (aside from spellcasters for the most part).

Now I agree customising IS something you need to consider, but with the introduction to the new elite missions as well as hard mode, customising is very common. But not everyone always stays with one character and not everyone has enough gold in the game to continue buying new gear.

My proposal for this is simple, create a sort of de-customisation option BUT, make the cost of this ability pricey, such as 5k an item, this way a player can weigh his/her options on wether the item is worth de-customising, or just buying a new one, also increase customising costs.

If someone spends 10k customising and then de-customising an item, and the items only worth 10k to being with, then that player may just purchase another item instead.

I do believe customising SHOULD be reversable to add to the whole "sandbox feel" BUT AT A COST. This way its easier for ALL players to continue to try new and different things without having to go through the trouble of spending a great deal of gold and time (which not all players have) to replace all thier old gear. But at the same time introduce a very un-enticing cost wether it is gold or another form of currency to keep the market in the game steady.

Fenix Arises · Aug 13, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

One other thing I also forgot to post. IF uncustomising isnt an option, another option is account based customisation. This would also save alot of players alot of greif and at the same time not take away ANY of the customisations limits, it ensures the item is yours and will stay yours.

genofreek · Aug 13, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Sure I can get behind account-wide customizations. It's still functionally out of the game if only your characters can pass it around. I'm just saying, don't allow people to be all "Oh wait, I made a mistake /r/ undo function prz QQ" when they should have stopped to think of the consequences.

Keep customization as the itemsink/goldsink it was meant to be.

freekedoutfish · Aug 14, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by jrk247

Wait wait wait, you don't care if it's a high price to un-customize your weapons even though the reason you want to un-customize them in the first place is to sell them? And you want more money sinks even though you need money by selling your customized weapons?

Im not allowed to agree with the idea of gold sinks just becaue I'm suggesting an idea to help earn gold?

I do apologise!!

If anet was to offer an uncustomising service, the price wouldnt be likely to exceed 1-2k, because anything else is unreasonable to poorer players.

You would then presumably only uncustomise a weapon if you are certain it will sell and make a it worth the cost. If it doesnt sell then it your loss, if it does then you make a profit.

You're allowed to agree with gold sinks and still suggest ideas to help bring in gold. And I dont need to weapons to make, I never said I did. But its one form of making gold that is alot easier and quicker then farming an area over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

You've done it yet again FishBoy. You've come up with another bad idea.

jrk427 is right, you contridict yourself therefore making your point invaid.

Everyone else is right, once its customized its customized and its done, just because its a game with "magic" and happy big monsters doesn't mean all logic should be tossed out. You should just be thankful ANet lets you use customized weapons on your Heros.

If you need gold go use that customized weapon to farm some.

PS you batting .000 right now, 0-3 as far as I've seen.

How have I contradicted myself? I'd love to know!

As I explained above, a person is perfectly allowed to agree with adding gold sinks into the game and still ask for ways to make gold. Aslong as your certain that uncustomising a weapon will sell for alot of gold, then paying the high price to uncustomise it is acceptable.

Besides, Im not asking for this because I want to make HUGE wods of gold and become oober rich.

Im asking for this, because you end up with stacks of weapons in storage that are customised and you might no longer use. They are going to waste just sitting there when they could be sold onto other players and you could make a small profit doing so.

Im perfectly capable of making enough gold to live on through SS/LB runs, but it seems daft to have endless weapons in storage that are customised that could be sold for a small profit.

Your also welcome to you opinion on whether my suggestions are "bad". I'm sure I have and I admit that, but if people dont make suggestions then this game would get nowhere. Are we meant to just keep quiet and never make a single suggestion in fear that someone like you will just bash it?

I'd rather post a bad idea in the hope it gets supported and might end up being implimented, then say nothing at all. You're reading the wrong website if you dont want to read bad ideas!

kazjun · Aug 15, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

/not signed

You know full well that customisation is permanent. If you think that you may ever want to sell the weapon, then don't customise it. Not like you can't finish the game if you don't have that +20%. The only time you'd need the bonus, would be pvp. But then, just use a pvp char. Costs you nothing.

If you want that +20%, then customise and put up with the fact that its worthless to anyone except you or a merch.

And if you've customised, and then found something better? So what? Salvage for the components that are good and then merch it. Why fill your storage with junk that's useless? Especially imperfect stuff. You'd make more farming then trying to flog purples or 14^50's of anything but the rarest skins.

If you're really that pressed for cash, don't customise greens and golds. Keep them for trade. Use collectors gear, most of the collectors gear (especially the caster stuff) are the same stats as greens. Might be missing a few mods (mainly melee weapons) but you can customise as much as you want. After all, they're mostly 125g blues.

T. Drake · Aug 15, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Fenix Arises

One other thing I also forgot to post. IF uncustomising isnt an option, another option is account based customisation. This would also save alot of players alot of greif and at the same time not take away ANY of the customisations limits, it ensures the item is yours and will stay yours.

Account based customisation is nice, /signed to that.

But ANET still needs to recode the whole pvp/pve weapon thing. I can still make a PvP character (which is on my account) and can create endless amounts of perfect weapons and use them on my PvE characters.

Maybe a yellow (not gold) color for pvp weapons, which cannot be used by pve characters? And leave the red color for the unlocked pvp skins. Sorry for this slightly off-topic related point.

/unsigned to the un-customisation option.

Dervish Warrior · Aug 15, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Customised Armor being able to be given to a character with the same class and name would not be that bad, i had a dragon mask on my warrior... by far the best mask yet, and i decided to delete my warrior.. but wanted to remove my mask, so i put it in storage, and now they brought out that mask dealing dude, but i cant put it in there.. and make a character with same name and i cant put it on there either... GRR ><
/part sign
should just be able to give it to characters with same name, and same class

VinnyRidira · Aug 15, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

/unsigned

I would like account wide customization, but am happy to live with character customizations. I generally customize weapons even for heroes. I generally find most green weapons actually suck. The blue collectors are often way better, especially with good add ons.

Kyver · Aug 15, 2007, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Personlly i am happy with the current system.

I will more than likely get flamed for this but heres a few Thoughts...

If you want to un-customise a weapon the weapon should have a attrubute penalty for example if a bow is req 8 then you decide to un-customise it it should change to a req 9 and so on so the value of the weapon will drop alot ..

OR

if you have any gold bows that you want to customise then you decide to un-customise all mods on that bow should be distroyed so you end up with a basic bow but keep the attribute so if it was a req 8 after it would stay a req 8 but you will have to add new mods to it..and it will always cary the title of Un-customised Greens Cannot be Un-customised

Like i said its just a thought some of you may feel this a stupid idea its just a few ideas i have thought of.

Orange Milk · Aug 15, 2007, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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what if you need gold desperately and its worth quite a bit.

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If its a high fee, then fine, I accept that.

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I would accept it being a gold-sink and costing to have it done.

There ya go fishy, your desperate for gold, yet willing to pay high amounts to get your weapon uncustomized. You have contradicted yourself.

I don't flame you for making suggestions, I flame you for making VERY bad ones then argueing with the consensis and attempting to prove your point without validation.

I've signed some good suggestion threads and I've not signe the dumb ones like this, you have to understand the game mechanics and why they are in place BEFORE you post this stuff. THere is a balance to this game that is and must stay in place, If you start a thread saying you don't think Vamp weapons should drain your health, I'm going to go to England and smack you. If you start a thread that says you thing there needs to be a Bow grip that makes the Durations of Preperations last longer, not how long it lasts on the enemy but how long you are underits effects, I will sign it and say good idea. See the difference between good and bad ideas that don't effect the game balance/mechanics?

6am3 Fana71c · Aug 15, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Not-customizing is for poor blokes. Yep, back in days when I didn't had so much money as now, I didn't customize anything because I feared that I might have to sell it. But now I can just buy anything I want and customize it right away (which I did), without thinking about will I have to sell it for moneyz. I am not trying to make me look important here, I am just explaining why some are against it, and why others are for that idea. Simple - when you have money you don't have to worry about that kind of things. And when you are a bit short of funds, you'll prolly not-customize your weapon, to have some insurance for the "rainy days"

Sleeper Service · Aug 15, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by Kyver

Personlly i am happy with the current system.

I will more than likely get flamed for this but heres a few Thoughts...

If you want to un-customise a weapon the weapon should have a attrubute penalty for example if a bow is req 8 then you decide to un-customise it it should change to a req 9 and so on so the value of the weapon will drop alot ..

OR

if you have any gold bows that you want to customise then you decide to un-customise all mods on that bow should be distroyed so you end up with a basic bow but keep the attribute so if it was a req 8 after it would stay a req 8 but you will have to add new mods to it..and it will always cary the title of Un-customised Greens Cannot be Un-customised

Like i said its just a thought some of you may feel this a stupid idea its just a few ideas i have thought of.

not a bad idea, same as the account wide one.
both at the same time?
/signed

MagmaRed · Aug 15, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Your trying to suggest that being able to uncustomise a weapon, will cause people to exploit the game by giving their lower level characters max weapons from the start. But we can already do that!!!

1) /bonus
2) Stick an uncustomised green or gold max weapon you find in pve into storage and the minute they open storage, its theirs.

How would being able to uncustomise weapons make any difference to that?

As for how pvp works when creating weapons, I have no idea because I dont pvp. But im not talking about pvp, im talking about pve weapons.

More important are the mods. I know all about the bonus weapons from certain game versions. Do they come with +30 Fortitude mods that can be removed? Do they come with 20/20 Sundering mods that can be removed? Do they come with 15^50 Strength of Honor Inscriptions that can be removed?

No.

Uncustimization would allow a weapon to be made by a PvP character with perfect mods attached. Now, put it in storage, and get it for your PvE character. Salvage the mods, apply to your rare skin items, and have a nice weapon.... free.

The market on mods is alreay in the toilet, this would flush that toilet. Rare skin items sell for more to noobs who actually think 20/20 Sundering and +30 Fortitude are the best option. People having access to perfect mods for no cost would ruin this part of the economy.

Not only would you be unable to sell your mods (as they would be free to anyone), but your perfectly modded weapon would not sell for much.

This idea is stupid. Yes, stupid. The idea of removing customization completely, or making it account based is understandable, but allowing uncustomization to happen is craptacularly stupid.

Wol Fenrook · Aug 15, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Conditonally /signed.

Conditions:-

Lock down PvP weapons so that they can not be un-customised at all, otherwise you just end up with another exploit for the unscrupulous to abuse.

Add a risk of un-customisation failing and destroying the weapon. Uncostomising should not be an easy option, but rather a high risk one.

Put the un-customise npcs in higher end areas, eg Drok's Forge, Raisu Palace and the like. Give folks another reason to work through the story.

Wol Fenrook

Starsky-sama · Aug 15, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

Not-customizing is for poor blokes.

O jebus another comedian. (i.e Evilsod) /LoL

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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

Yep, back in days when I didn't had so much money as now, I didn't customize anything because I feared that I might have to sell it.

Yeah, quite understandable, you were a poor bloke (everyone was), but plz dont make it sound like everyones the same as you.

/imo.

If ppl dont like this idea, plz try to refrain from making up reasons that make it sound like it's a factoid, because everyone in the game could be in the same situation(s) as you, but still we dont all have the same reasons for doing stuff.

It's very simple why customize is ingame, let's refrain from going overboard w/ the why and why nots. OP just wants to put out an idea.

/imo.
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Back to the idea of un-customizing:

/unsignage.

Due to the fact that the main function of customizing is there for a simple reason already and I believe it doesnt need to be messed with.

/g'day.